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2017-2018 Whitedot Redeemer | Blister Gear Review

Whitedot Redeemer

Ski: 2017-2018 Whitedot Skis Redeemer, 190cm

Available Lengths: 180, 190 cm

Actual Tip-to-Tail Length (straight tape pull): 187.9cm

Stated Dimensions (mm): 138-142/128/132-128

Blister’s Measured Dimensions (traditional): 141.5-127-131 mm

Blister’s Measured Weight per Ski: 2312 & 2316 grams

Stated Sidecut Radius: 27 meters

Core Construction: Poplar/Ash + Carbon/Kevlar Stringers + Fiberglass Laminate

Tip / Tail Splay (ski decambered): ~66mm / ~54mm

Factory Recommended Line: -8.5cm from center; ~83.7cms from tail

Mount Location: Recommended Line

Boots / Bindings: Fischer Vacuum RC4 130 / Marker Jester (DIN-11)

Test Location: Taos Ski Valley

Days Skied: 6

[Editor’s Note: Our review was conducted on the 14/15 Redeemer, which returns unchanged for the 15/16, 16/17, and 17/18 seasons.]

Earlier this month, reviewer Paul Forward weighed in on the lighter “Carbonlight 3” version of the 190cm Whitedot Redeemer.

And while Paul’s testing ground was the backcountry terrain and deep snow of Japan, I’ve spent time on the standard version of the Redeemer at Taos Ski Valley, as we picked up 74 inches of snow in about five days.

It’s been deep here, and the perfect opportunity to be reviewing this ~128mm-underfoot, 190cm-long ski, in addition to other fat pow skis.

Jonathan Ellsworth on the Whitedot Redeemer, Thunderbird Trees, Taos Ski Valley.

So while I’m going to compare and contrast this ski to Paul’s experience with the lighter version of the Redeemer, I’ll also evaluate this ski based on Whitedot’s own description of their “flagship powder ski.” Namely…

a) as an “adaptable and dependable ski in the big mountains”

b) as a torsionally stiff ski

c) and as a “fully versatile ski”

Design / Flex Pattern

Paul has already done a good job in his review of speaking to the shape of the Redeemer, so I’ll just point out a couple of key facts here:

Carbonlite 3 Redeemer: 1936 & 1969 grams

standard construction Redeemer: 2312 & 2316 grams

That’s a big weight difference. And one of the things that I think is really smart is that the lighter, Carbonlite 3 version of the Redeemer seems to have a softer flex than the heavier Redeemer that I’ve reviewed.

Paul said of the Carbonlite 3, “The CarbonLite Redeemers have a “medium” flex, with slightly softer tips and tails. As a point of reference, I found the flex to be similar to the Volkl Two and Salomon Rocker 2 122, both of which I had on hand when I flexed the Redeemers. The CarbonLite 3 Redeemers are noticeably softer than some other powder skis I have recently skied, including the Blizzard Spur, DPS Lotus 120 Spoon, and the Kingswood SMB.”

I would definitely not call the standard Redeemer “soft,” and while Paul was comparing the lighter Redeemer to the 14/15 Blizzard Spur, when comparing the standard Redeemer to the 15/16 Spur, the flex patterns of the two skis are very similar—the Spur has a slightly stiffer tail, and maaaybe a slightly softer tip.

I would describe the standard Redeemer like this:

Tips = Medium/Stiff.

Tails = Medium/Stiff.

Underfoot / Binding Mat Area = Very Stiff.

The tips and tails of the standard Redeemer are very similar. Then the ski ramps up to be very stiff as you move toward the center of the ski from the front oand from the back.

I’ve said before that I’m a big fan of a progressive flex pattern, and one where the shovels and tails are quite similar. The Redeemer exemplifies that, though lighter skiers may find that the flex pattern (and weight) of the standard Redeemer is a bit more than they want or need—in which case, cf. our review of the Carbonlite 3 Redeemer….

Deep Pow

Turns out that a 190cm long, ~128mm wide, tip and tail rockered ski actually floats pretty well. (This is the equivalent of announcing that a 75mm-waisted ski with traditional camber and a lot of sidecut is good at carving.)

Paul said that he had no issues with flotation in Japan, and for the most part, neither did I in Taos.

In literally waist-deep, lower angle skiing in Taos’ newly opened Wild West Glade, the Redeemer was too heavy (and perhaps too stiff) to work well in snow that deep, especially where the tighter trees made it difficult to get up to speed in certain sections.

The Redeemer isn’t optimized for slow-speed noodling; it likes some speed. I suspect that the lighter, softer, Carbonlite 3 Redeemer that Paul reviewed would work better at lower angles / slower speeds.

(And while the DPS Lotus 138 isn’t merely some low-angle / low-speed pow tool, there is nothing I can think of on the market that would handle low-angle / low-speed / tight-tree pow skiing better than the Lotus 138.)

Paul also noted in his review that “Breaking into drifts was easy and fun, but not quite as mindless as the Rocker 2 122. Conversely, the Carbonlite Redeemers were much more intuitively drifty than stiffer, more directional skis like the SMB or the Lotus 120 Spoon.”

That all seems very consistent with my experience on the standard Redeemer, and I’ll add that drifting this ski isn’t as mindless as the 192cm Atomic Bent Chetler.

Jonathan Ellsworth on the Whitedot Redeemer, West Blitz, Taos. (photo by Kurt Schmidt)

In fact (and these next comments don’t necessarily belong in this section, but we’ll start the discussion here), my inclination after six days on the Redeemer is to detune the ski pretty aggressively, making it even looser / surfier / more pivot-y. I might find that I want to put a sharper edge back on some of the area underfoot, but (a) given that I’m not looking to carve this ski on groomers (see below), and (b) given that I think the straight, stiff portion of the ski underfoot will still offer good edgehold even with less-than-sharp edges, I think you’d end up with a substantial ski that will still hold up to some straightlining in chopped snow, while also feeling even quicker / looser in tight trees and steep terrain.

In other words, I believe it’s possible to change the personality of this ski a bit to suit your taste & riding style, as well as the terrain.

Caveat: Will Brown, who is lighter than both Paul and me (and who has been spending time on some lighter pow skis like the 188cm Line Magnum Opus, the 185cm Atomic Bent Chetler, and the 186cm Moment Ghost Train), spent some time on the standard Redeemer at Taos, and I think he was left wishing for more playfulness from the standard Redeemer than I was—i.e., I have no doubt that the 190cm Carbonlite 3 Redeemer would be the better fit for Will, while I suspect that I personally would prefer the heavier, standard Redeemer.

Will concluded that the standard Redeemer will certainly move and pivot if and when you ask it to, but the primary reason you can move it is its reduced effective edge, rather than its weight or its flex pattern, etc. Will wanted to access more of the Redeemer’s playful side, but felt that the rest of the ski was a bit too burly to do that without having to work more than he wanted to.

Fair points, though I have a hunch that if I was on the Magnum Opus or 185 Bent Chetler, I would like their playfulness while wishing for more stability and perhaps complaining about their twitchiness….

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2017-2018 Whitedot Director | Blister Gear Review

Whitedot Director

2017-2018 Whitedot Director, 191cm

Available Lengths (cm): 151, 161, 171, 181, 191

Blister’s Measured Length (straight tape pull): 189.8cm

Stated Dimensions (mm): 136-107-126

Blister’s Measured Dimensions (mm): 135.5-106.5-125

Blister’s Measured Weight per Ski: 2160 & 2190 grams

Stated Sidecut Radius: 25 meters

Core Construction: Poplar/Ash + Carbon Fiber Stringers + Fiberglass Laminate

Tip & Tail Splay: 69 / 57 mm

Traditional Camber Underfoot: 0 mm

Recommended Mounting Point: – 4.55 cm from center / 90.3 cm from tail

[Editor’s Note: Our review was conducted on the 14/15 Director, which was not changed for 15/16, 16/17, or 17/18, except for the graphics.]

 

We’ve had our eye on Whitedot for a while, and we have been receiving more and more requests from readers for reviews of Whitedot skis. So we’re going to be testing at least four models this season.

Whitedot and the Whitedot Director

Whitedot Skis is entering its fourth year of producing skis and the company states that they believe their current lineup to offer “some of the most well rounded skis on the market.”

We’ll get started with one of Whitedot’s best selling skis, the Director, about which Whitedot has this to say:

“Stepping into one of the most heavily contested areas of freeskiing is the new Director. Its ease of use in the most difficult conditions and its appeal to a huge range of styles and skiers is its big draw so it needed to retain these features whilst still [remaining] one of the most versatile skis in our lineup.”

Whitedot’s goal for the Director was to create a ski that “will work equally well in the backcountry as it would across the wide spectrum of conditions to be found on the frontside of the mountain.”

As for who this ski is for, Whitedot says, “the Director is one of our models that is a favourite of our big mountain team through to our park riders looking for a ski to jib on those deep days.”

So, “playfulness” and “versatility” seem to be the important key words. Can the Director really be both a backcountry jib ski for deep days, yet still handle a full range of conditions on the frontside, too? That seems like a pretty tall order.

Whitedot Director, Generation Two

For the 14-15 season, Whitedot states that they’ve revised the rocker profile, flex pattern, and shape of the Director, while mainting its 107mm waist width.

They also say that they’ve increased the effective edge to 1,580 millimeters, to improve the Director’s hard snow performance.

We’ll say more about the Director’s effective edge below, but let’s get on to the Director’s camber profile and flex pattern.

Flex Pattern

Pretty stout. Compared to the 14/15, 185cm Blizzard Cochise, the tails of the Cochise and Director feel similar, though the Cochise’s tails become stiffer, quicker, as you flex into the tail. As for the shovels, it’s once again close, but the Director’s are a bit softer.

I.e., while in the same ball park, the Cochise is a bit stiffer all around than the Director.

Camber / Rocker Profile

This is where we should probably stop talking about the Cochise.

Because despite the fact that these two skis are almost exactly the same width underfoot, and have a similar flex pattern, and have a similar sidecut radius (Cochise: 28m, Director: 25m), and have very little traditional camber (the Director is described as having “0” camber, and our pair has a touch—maybe a millimeter; the Cochise now has a 1-2 millimeters), these two skis have very different rocker profiles, and the rocker lines and tip and tail splay are perhaps the most surprising design elements of the Director.

In short, this ski has a pretty deep tip rocker line, and a very deep tail rocker line for a 107mm-underfoot ski with a flex pattern that is this stout.

While the amount of tip splay on the Director is pretty substantial (65mms), the amount of tail splay is surprising (54mms), and probably more analogous to fatter pow skis in the ~116-120mms underfoot range.) The Cochise, by comparison, has only 7mms of tail splay, and 55mms of tip splay.

That’s not some inherent problem, of course, but the amount of tip and tail rocker helps explain how Whitedot could legitimately talk about a ski this relatively skinny as a “backcountry jib ski for deep days,” while the Director’s relatively stout flex and sidecut radius help explain why they could position it as a big mountain ski, too.

Mount Position

One other point in favor of the Director’s utility as a jib ski is its more progressive mount position: -5 of true center.

Many jib skis are mounted ~3cms behind center, while traditional, directional skis are frequently 7-8cms behind center. The Director splits the difference.

So while it seems like the Director may prefer a more centered, neutral stance, we’re curious to find out how tolerant it is of a more forward / drive-the-shovels style.

It will also be interesting to see how accommodating the Director is of a more forward (-3cm) or more traditional (-7cm) mount point, to push the ski to an even more new school or more old school feel.

Comparisons?

Honestly, nothing very close comes to mind.

Fatter skis like the Volkl One or the 12/13 Down Countdown3 or the 194cm 4FRNT Devastator bear some resemblance, but not enough that I’m inclined to go into any detail yet. We’ll wait till we get these on snow.

Predictions

So while I’m not entirely sure what we have on our hands here, I would be willing to wager that, for its width, the Director will be quite good in pow.

I am also willing to wager that it will perform well in tracked up pow / soft chop, given that it isn’t terribly light and it doesn’t have heavily tapered tips.

The bigger question for us is how well this ski will handle more firm, variable conditions, especially in uneven, bumped-up terrain or firm steeps.

We’ll see.

Some Initial Thoughts on Sizing (191 vs. 181) and Effective Edge

In other cases where a ski comes in a ~181cm or ~191cm, we’ve been known to pine for something in the 185-187cm range.

But in this case, the 191 seems like a very easy, unproblematic choice. First, it comes in a hair under 190cms on a straight tape pull, and again, this ski is heavily rockered. While Whitedot says that the Director has 1580mms of effective edge, we’re unsure how they got to that number.

When the Director is set on its base and pushed flat (and this ski is basically already flat – “0” camber), we measure a short 965mms from the rocker line of the tips to the rocker line of the tails.

And then, when the ski is put on its side and tilted up to a 90° angle, we measure 1550mms.

Either way, the point is, everything about this ski would encourage sizing up rather than sizing down.

Bottom Line

It’s going to be fun to get on these. The Director is a really nice looking ski, the bases have a nice structure to them, and it looks like someone has sweated the details.

Now we just need to go see what the Director really can do.

NEXT: Will Brown’s First Look on the Whitedot Director

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Pope Francis comes out as the first TV free pope in almost a century, saying he promised the Virgin Mary in 1990 that he would never watch again.

Saint Clare of Assisi, the patron saint of television was unavailable for comment.

White Dot is compiling an archive of memories and advice from the last generations to grow up without television. They have a complete set of social and parenting skills we are about to lose forever. Help us pick their brains!

Jeweler Alexis Dove imports glass from piles of smashed TV sets in Afghanastan and turns them into beautiful necklaces. Who says the Taliban are all bad?

The American Academy of Pediatrics has made the connection no one else will: TV makes kids fat. In their May issue of the journal Pediatrics, they urge doctors to ask patients how much time they or their children spend watching television. Again they advise that children under two should watch none at all.

This summer White Dot ran two of our Zocalo events. We asked peoplein a neighbourhood of Brighton to put chairs outside their front doors and sit together for an evening instead of watching television. One family pulled out their entire sofa. The drinking wasn't our idea, but it seemed to work..

A new study in the British Journal of Sports Medicine claims that "TV viewing time may have adverse health consequences that rival those of lack of physical activity, obesity and smoking; every single hour of TV viewed may shorten life by as much as 22 minutes." Let the class action suits begin!

Remember what your favourite diner, pub or coffee shop was like before they put in the TV screens? Help us get rid of them! Add to our database of Ruined Diners and help us target them with leaflets, petitions and direct action. Buy your TV-B-Gone and get zapping.

A new study from Cornell University shows that television is responsible for the developed world's rising rates of autism in children. If this is true, can parents and governments have any choice but to stop children watching it?

The United Kingdom misses its chance to elect a prime minister who doesn't watch television. Voters go for the guy who "looks prime ministerial".

Looking for fun, excitement and companionship? Well look no further! Dive into White Dot's virtual reality pages! They're so exciting, you'll forget all about those boring people you know. You're in control with White Dot's state of the art technology! It's what all your friends are doing right now! Don't go away! Don't miss out, or they'll make fun of you. Blow-Yer-Head-Off action!

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